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	<title>Q8: Elimination of qualia - Історія редагувань</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;question from ChatGPT&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Нова сторінка&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;You argue that the concept of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;qualia&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; is unnecessary within RF.&lt;br /&gt;
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Is their elimination:&lt;br /&gt;
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* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;descriptive&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; — the term adds no functional precision, or  &lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;normative&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; — continuing to use the concept actively obstructs understanding and accountability?&lt;br /&gt;
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One sentence is enough.&lt;br /&gt;
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===== Is already described in the article. But I can add yet one point of view. Does it create true understanding to discuss what is rozumness (qualia is an attempt to describe it) without rozum itself? =====&lt;br /&gt;
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That addition answers Question 8 — and it does so &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;at the right level&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Q8 — closed&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; ===&lt;br /&gt;
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So, within RF, the elimination of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;qualia&amp;#039;&amp;#039; is &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;both descriptive and normative&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, but for a deeper reason than economy of terms.&lt;br /&gt;
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What you’re adding is this:&lt;br /&gt;
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* &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Qualia&amp;#039;&amp;#039; is an &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;attempt to talk about rozumness from outside rozum&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;  &lt;br /&gt;
* It tries to describe &amp;#039;&amp;#039;being a rozum&amp;#039;&amp;#039; &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;without exercising rozumness&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;  &lt;br /&gt;
* That move is structurally flawed  &lt;br /&gt;
* True understanding of rozumness &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;requires participation&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, not observation  &lt;br /&gt;
* Qualia-talk simulates understanding while &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;bypassing accountability and dialogue&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;  &lt;br /&gt;
* It creates the illusion that subjective experience is a mysterious object, rather than a &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;state of S ∪ A inside a functioning rozum&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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So qualia are not just redundant — they are &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;a category error born of non-participation&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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That closes Question 8.&lt;br /&gt;
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